Comments on: What kind of hole have we dug ourselves into?

By: srinivas chillara

srinivas chillara — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:49:54 +0000

Mark’s idea is very appealing to me. Have an “uncertificate”, or maybe call it “quasi-certificate”…

By: steve.freeman

steve.freeman — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:37:37 +0000

@Mark Perhaps we could arrange a course where at the end of the day you got to tear up your certificate

By: Mark Ferguson

Mark Ferguson — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:58:23 +0000

Perhaps we can keep digging and come out the other side! I suppose I am suggesting some kind of uncertification program. It just needs some respected practitioners in Agile to put their names to a website where anyone can get an uncertificate. Those that understand will nod wisely and recruitment consultants will be happy.

If people can become proud to be officially Agile uncertified and display their uncertificate, it would make people with the certificates look a bit silly. I can look silly with the best of them, but I’d draw the line at paying for a course and sitting an exam to prove it!

By: steve.freeman

steve.freeman — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:57:38 +0000

@Chris Nice link.

My point about the Scrum Certification is that at least it’s being delivered by the people who started Scrum, and who ought to know what they’re talking about.

By: Chris Pitts

Chris Pitts — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:12:37 +0000

Perhaps they are trying to compete with http://www.agilecertificationnow.com/ ?

One point – at one stage even the Scrum Alliance had no pedigree (pedigree scrum? Geddit? Oh never mind… ). Everyone starts somewhere and proves themselves over time. But yes, I share your concerns.

By: Peter Booth

Peter Booth — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:48:40 +0000

I heard a rumor that being certified with the WAQB can help you to progress to level 2 of the AMM (Agile Maturity Model)

By: steve.freeman

steve.freeman — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:00:11 +0000

@Scott. This one looks like it might be from Scandinavia. My issue here is not with the notion of certification as such (although that’s problematic in its own right), but that this one has no pedigree that it’s prepared to reveal (if it’s not a hoax, that is).

At least the Scrum certifications are backed by the Scrum Alliance, and they ought to know.

By: Scott Duncan

Scott Duncan — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:58:50 +0000

Looks like this may be centered in the UK/Europe from some of the info on the main page. From my decade or so experience with standards and certifications, I find that these sorts of things almost always start in the UK or Europe. The sense of standards, certification and process formality often seems to be stronger there, in general, than, for example, in the US. This is not to slam folks from the UK or Europe, it just seems to be the culture/approach taken toward these things. t will be interesting to see what individuals or organizations perhaps take this up in the US. What I have seen in the past with this sort of thing is that quite often the uptake is by folks outside the mainstream of the actual area addressed by the standard or certification. Perhaps they see this as a way to move into that space without putting in the time/effort to be part of that mainstream?

By: Darren Rowley

Darren Rowley — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:19:01 +0000

What is the world coming too?

Darren R – Certified Test Driven Developer…